The Proposala.k.a. “A Proposta,” “I protasi,” “Odottamaton ehdotus,” “Selbst ist die Brau,” “Предложение”Reviewed by: Angela Bowman Extremely Offensive
Moviemaking Quality:
Primary Audience:
Adults, Teens
Genre:
Romance, Comedy
Length:
1 hr. 47 min.
Year of Release:
2009
USA Release:
June 19, 2009 (wide—2,950 theaters)
DVD: October 13, 2009 ![]()
“Here comes the bribe…” “The Proposal” is a romantic comedy, intended to be heartwarming, hilarious and classically cliché. And while it certainly delivered on the laughs, at some points so much so that the dialogue was drowned out by the roaring laughter of the audience, and even had a few tear-jerking scenes, I walked away more disgusted with each passing moment as these brief instances were forgotten leaving the crude and vulgar sexuality that dominated the film illuminated in mind. Margaret Tate (played by Sandra Bullock) is a daunting and vicious New York executive who discovers she is about to be deported back to her native Canada. Desperate to maintain her position and save face within the company, she reveals that she is engaged to her assistant, Andrew Paxton (Ryan Reynolds), who is a U.S. citizen, and their marriage will resolve the deportation issue. The problem is that not only is this completely untrue, but Andrew in fact despises her, only answering her every bidding in the hopes of being justly rewarded with a promotion. As it turns out, the immigration process is not so simple as their assigned officer is out to prove their fraud, intent on a full investigation. The two come to a mutual agreement so they will both benefit from the marriage, but have to travel to Alaska to convince both his family and the skeptical immigration officer that they are truly in love. And as far as the storyline goes, it continues on a predictable course, as most movies of this genre generally do, as is the reason they are generally enjoyable. While I haven't seen all of Sandra Bullock's films, I have to say that I had a higher expectation of her, as it does seem that she is known for her modesty. So I was extremely disappointed that she chose to go so far in this film. In a particular scene, her character Margaret has just finished showering and is in search of a towel. Meanwhile, Andrew is undressing, preparing to take a shower himself, neither realizing the other's presence until they run into each other and fall down together, both completely naked and shown in side view. While all of their private areas are technically covered, this is still a gratuitous display, and in the moments prior to this incident, Margaret is shown in length with only her arm to cover her breasts and a small cloth mitt held in front of her groin. In another scene, Andrew's mother, Grace (Mary Steenburgen) and his grandmother Annie (Betty White) hire Ramone, an exotic dancer for Margaret. Ramone is not only the exotic dancer, he is the wait staff, sales clerk and marriage officiant of the town as well, and while intended to be comical rather than arousing, this scene nonetheless contains a man in a skimpy Speedo, gyrating in vulgar sexual positions around Margaret. And due to the length of the scene and the focus of the camera, was equally as horrifying an experience as the previously mentioned one. Additional sexual content abounds, including the fact that Margaret and Andrew are assumed to be having sex so Andrew's parents put them in a room together and Grandma Annie gives them a quilt with “special powers” which she calls the “baby maker,” this quilt is also referred to again later in the story. Grandma Annie also admits to being “knocked up” prior to her wedding as well as being “chesty” during a scene focused on Margaret's breasts while altering the heirloom wedding dress in which Grandma Annie is on an “Easter egg hunt” trying to find Margaret's breast in the large expanse of fabric that is unfilled by Margaret's figure. Andrew's parents bring the couple breakfast in bed, requiring them to jump into bed together (Andrew had been sleeping on the floor) but they have a difficult time arranging themselves after Margaret's suggestion to “spoon” reveals that Andrew is “horny.” Other negatives include Andrew grabbing Margaret's behind on two occasions, the second one causing Margaret to threaten to cut off his balls. After the nude scenes, it seems almost irrelevant to mention the skimpy lingerie-type pajamas that Margaret wears to bed as they are quite modest in contrast. Margaret shares that she hasn't had sex in eighteen months. There is a question about favored position (top or bottom) as well as an obscure reference to homosexuality in an office mate. Margaret is referred to as a “witch” as well as a “b-tch” and “Satan's mistress.” Andrew is asked if Margaret “farts,” and they have a small argument over whether or not she does. I also found the fact that Ramone is both the exotic dancer and marriage officiant to be possibly offensive because of the seriousness of the marriage covenant and that it could have implied a pastoral role, especially as his legal status is questioned in the end which would give reason to believe he is not a Justice of the Peace. Offensive language includes numerous uses of “oh my G--,” as well as “for the love of G--” and misuse of Jesus and Christ directly in addition to “sh-t,” “b-tch,” “cr-p,” “'p-ssed,” “jack-ss,” “-ss” and “balls;” the last two also used numerous times in a song/chant in which Margaret is dancing provocatively. The spirituality is brought in from Grandma Annie's type of Native American inspired beliefs in her reference to the ‘special powers’ of the quilt, the ‘spirits’ taking her upon death, ‘signs’ from the universe and a ceremony/ritual dance around a fire in tribal apparel in which she gives thanks to ‘mother earth’ and asks for Margaret's loins to be fertile. As there was so much negative content I was tempted to skim over the bulk of it, simply recommending this film not fit for Christian consumption, however I also realize that each person has their own level of conviction and what they personally find offensive or distasteful so I felt it was important to convey not only the amount of negativity, but the extent of the content as well. And it's too bad that after all that, there was hardly room to delve into the meatier parts of the story, in the conflict between Andrew and his father (Craig T. Nelson) that caused Andrew to isolate himself from his family and that prevented him from forgiving his father, or the tragic past of Margaret which propelled her into this callous and unemotional person. We obtain just enough to glimpse the person trapped inside so much ice with Margaret and the “reconciliation” between Andrew and his father was simply pitiful and unconvincing. As far as the actual “romance” between Margaret and Andrew, it appeared to be more lust from physical attraction than love toward the character that drives the two together, which makes one wonder if the creators of this story have lust and love confused. While “The Proposal” makes the point of this particular fraudulent marriage being wrong, it does so by focusing on the wrong in the hurt and deception of Andrew's family and Andrew himself in that it is potentially keeping him from his true love. These are noble causes, however without a higher purpose, it leads one to believe the marriage of convenience and a subsequent “quickie divorce” would have been acceptable had Andrew no family or long lost love to be accountable to. In the world's eyes, marriage is not a sacred vow and covenant made before God, and according to this film, apparently, marriage itself really has no meaning. The fact that the concern of the feelings of others is the emphasis rather than the actual sanctity of marriage, and that marriage itself is never held in regard of any kind, and further degraded by the fact that the exotic dancer is the officiant in place of a priest or pastor is a sad reality of the current popular view, not only of marriage, but of God and of godliness. This is confirmed by the gloomy outlook held by characters at the end of the film. Andrew asking Margaret to marry him so he can date her, both admitting to being scared and obviously not ready to make such a somber and serious commitment, while on the surface may appear to be “cute” is at the same time repeating this underlying current of the irrelevancy of marriage. Also a comment made by Ramone, who tells the immigration officer that he wouldn't say the two are soul mates, but at least they won't kill each other. (The last part of this line I have to admit initially made me laugh along with everyone else, but thinking about it combined with the context of the previous and the rest of the movie truly dissolves any humor.) The problem is when you take an honest look at what you've just swallowed after watching this film, I'm afraid “The Proposal” isn't at all worth the laughs and just leaves one feeling empty and dirty in the end. I believe Paul summed it up very clearly in Ephesians, “So I tell you this… that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. You however did not come to know Christ that way… You were taught with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.” (Ephesians 4:17-24 NIV) Violence: None / Profanity: Moderate / Sex/Nudity: Heavy See list of Relevant Issues—questions-and-answers. Comments below:
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Positive - My husband and I enjoyed this movie. Considering the movies that are being produced today, we felt it was pretty clean. There was some bad language and I agree with some of what the reviewer said in respect to the dance, but we were not offended as much as she was (in its entirety). I disagree that it left you feeling dirty. It was a fun movie and hysterical. We thought it was a great date movie and that the actors did a great job. The kissing scene was sweet and convincing not overly passionate or out of line. I recently read an article that the actors were friends in real life and spent time together with their spouses. I was impressed to see their kiss was not open mouthed and that they had fun making the movie. I believe you can find something negative in everything so if you are easily offended then don't see it. We thought it was a great date movie and will recommend it to our friends. Positive - I did not find this to be a terribly offensive movie, although it had many elements that were not moral. The intention of the story was not immoral—illegal yes, but not immoral. The two main characters did not fornicate. Yes, there were accidents of a sexual nature, but they were presented as such. I did not care for the grandmother's evoking of spirits and praying to mother nature. The male dancer was expressive of the sad world we live in, but it was clear that Margaret neither wanted this special event that had been organized for her nor liked it. She also was upset with the nude run-in with Andrew. Sandra Bullock's character was pivotal. She was a severe business woman who had covered up her wounded nature and married her job. As she revealed her heart, Andrew began to love her. This movie worked for me. Positive - I like that this movie is pretty darn clean, despite the reviewers meticulous scrutiny. Yes, there is a chippendales-esque dance number and a crash collision of two naked bodies, but in all honesty, neither scene is offensive. It's purely for humorous effect, and it's deftly handled in what I consider a very non-licentious way, unless you're 60 and like 50 year old men prancing around like Chris Farley off SNL. I trust you, the discerning viewer, can be the judge of all that mess. I dare you to watch 'The Proposal.' Positive - In defense of the main review, I believe she did a very thorough job in reviewing this movie. While I do not completely agree with everything, it pretty much hits the target. One person commented that this movie is wholesome, it is far from that. From the rating alone, one can see it is not wholesome. “Nudity and sexual content” in a film will rarely, if ever, be truly wholesome. Just because the stripper was done for comedic value does not make it right. The main reviewer does mention that it was probably not meant for arousal, but still vulgar. I completely agree with this. The guy kept shaking his crotch near Bullock’s face while the camera zoomed in close enough for the audience to see his pubic hair. Positive - I went to see this movie with my boyfriend and thought it was a classic “Sandra Movie.” It was hilarious! We laughed so hard we cried. I wouldn't deem this movie as offensive. The sexual content was not so much “nasty” as it was awkward. The running-into-each-other-naked scene was funny, but they could've been way more discreet. Even though it didn't actually show anything, the scene didn't leave much for the imagination. The male dancer made you feel uncomfortable for the character because she was uncomfortable. She had no idea nor did she want her “special dance.” I thought the grandma was funny. I in no way agree with praying to mother earth, but her character was very comical and not nasty at all. Overall, this was a great movie. Compared to a lot of other movies this one was clean for the most part and a fun date movie. I don't recommend taking younger children though. Sandra Bullock and Ryan Reynolds were terrific! Positive - I am a Christian and a mother of two daughters, 14 and 12, so I always consider the positive/negative aspects of films, and read reviews, before even thinking about allowing my daughters to see them. In this case, I didn't read the reviews before going to see the movie, but rather my husband and I saw it on our own first. To think that, if I had read this review first, I probably would have avoided this adorable movie altogether! It was a wonderfully funny, warm hearted, tender and compassionate movie! Yes, there were some mildly offensive scenes, as the writer explained, and even some partial nudity, but NONE of it was blatantly sexual. In fact, it was meant to be just the opposite, and was in fact, hilariously UN-sexy. I think PG-13 (I think 12 is too young) is an appropriate age rating, and it opens up topics for discussion with teens—we need to be able to discuss what is right and wrong with the way people live, and compare it to how we as believers should live, not live in a bubble. Positive - I really enjoyed this movie. I was looking for an evening out away from my three small children to escape into a mindless romantic comedy. What I didn't expect was the beautiful portrayal of family. I thought there was a wonderful message we can take from this film—that Sandra's hard nosed unfeeling workaholic character was deeply moved in the presence of kindness, and it ultimately melted her hard exterior and left her vulnerable. I think this is such a wonderful message for Christians. It makes me think of “and they'll know we are Christians by our LOVE.” Positive - Being a big fan of Sandra Bullock I went to see this movie against the recommendations of this Web site. I know there are different levels of sensitivity in Christians and I tend to be pretty conservative. The movie was uplifting and refreshing. Yes, the strip tease scene was outrageous and not necessary… but you could tell how uncomfortable she was in the scene and I could relate to being placed in a similar position and not knowing how to gracefully get out of it. Positive - I can see why the author of the review takes the stance that she does, this is not a Christian movie. However, I'm not as tightly wound (although I used to be…). I even read this review before I went to see it (at the cheap seats, so no huge money lost if I didn't like it) so I had initial reservations. I liked the movie! It makes a great mature chick flick, even though I think there's enough beauty to hold the attention of males/dates. I do not, however, think this movie is for children or teens. I think Discernment is the filter with which to view this movie, and for those who are pretty selective and conservative, this may not be the movie for you. It is a more fleshly and worldly than say, “You've Got Mail.” Sandra Bullock is a beautiful woman. She has aged well and encourages me to take better care of myself. So, there is value in the flick. God bless you! Positive - I like Bullock movies and this was no exception. I would not recommend it for children, mostly because it would bore them to death. I didn't see anything offensive as a Christian. I didn't see any real messages in it either. Positive - Me and my husband loved this movie. We are strong Christians and very careful about the movies we see. I went on this site and learned which scenes we were to shut our eyes since you can't fast forward and there were only two scenes, everything else was adorable. It was very, very funny and very entertaining. I definitely couldn't believe how unclothed she got and wasn't happy about that, but from going on this site we knew to shut our eyes right when she was in the shower and for about 3 minutes afterwards and when the mother in law takes her to a strip club with this guy that was a total dork but he was still dancing, it was more of a joke then anything, but I still don't like to see anything like that. So we shut our eyes during that part too. Overall, we loved it! Positive - If you saw the preview, then you have seen the “bad” parts of the movie: the scene where Andrew and Margaret run into each other naked and the wedding dress “easter egg” hunt. Both were used in non-sexual, strictly for laughs kind of thing. In fact, the relationship between Andrew and Margaret developed so late into the movie that the most that they did together was kiss. Overall, I loved the movie and the acting and laughed continuously. A million times better than the “hilarious,” yet extremely crude, movies like “The Hangover.” I would recommend this for anyone mature enough to understand relationships. Neutral
Neutral - I thought that the reviewer was fair and accurate. We have an 18 year old son and would not be thrilled to have him see this. It does not reinforce our values. The nudity added nothing of substance to the film; the humor of the situation could have been achieved without it. We were disappointed in Sandra Bullock for such scenes, since we appreciated her acting in other films. The film rating was PG-13. Hollywood might think, so but I doubt most parents would think this film appropriate for young teens. Apparently, some parents have no problem with it, since a 12 year old wrote on your site that she had seen it. We rarely go to the theater because of the price paid for other disappointing films. Still, my wife and I enjoyed much of this film. (Having said that, our moral POV has certainly been diluted by accepting evil by degrees.) Neutral - Although I can see certain aspects of the movie as positive or negative, the movie was made as a humorous love story with Betty White being an old lady using her age and mental state to get her wishes. I would certainly not recommend this to anyone under the age of 17, despite its PG-13 rating, due to the partial nudity. In fact, I wouldn't recommend it for unmarried couples, BUT, having said that, the movie was well-done, a good story line and is a good chick-flick for MARRIED couples to see. Neutral - I went to see this movie with my roommates, and enjoyed it for the most part. I was disappointed that the grandmother in the movie did a couple of offensive things, such as chanting to “the spirits” and dancing with an “exotic” dancer. There is also a scene in which the two main characters accidentally see each other nude. However, I was impressed (especially with the immoral content of most movies these days) that the two main characters did not sleep together before marriage. There were also some good morals in the movie, such as the importance of honesty, not treating others as lower than yourself, and recognizing the importance of family and nurturing those relationships. Overall, I would say this movie is average, and it is pretty cute (although fairly predictable, like most romantic comedies!) Negative
Negative - While I have enjoyed Sandra Bullock movies in the past, this one was disappointing. There were moments that the movie was funny, but the scene with the male dancer was a turn off. Betty White and her spiritual scenes just reminded me as to how Hollywood does not have a clue concerning spiritual matters. It did not add a thing to the movie plot. Also, I was surprised that Bullock would appear in a movie naked. I have always had a feeling that she was above other actresses and did not need those type of scenes to be effective. The story line was interesting, but the sexuality was a turn off. I am not a prude, but would hope Hollywood would make a romance movie with some value and depth and not shallow as this one. I agree… it left me leaving the movie disappointed and dirty. Negative - I went to the movies with some of my friends and we couldn’t decide whether to see this one or not, so we flipped a coin and it was heads-up for “The Proposal.” That probably wasn’t the best way to decide. First up, I did have a good time, I laughed, and I enjoyed certain parts. Like the part when Margaret is telling Andrew her odd little quirks, and they talk about the song and why she got her tattoo. And the end (not the part during the credits, but the actual end in the office). And, of course, Andrew’s face when Margaret announces their “engagement.” Negative - This movie was a huge disappointment. I had seen the previews for several months, and I was looking forward to what seemed like a fun romantic comedy. I also usually enjoy Sandra Bullock's films. Negative - Thank you for taking the time to post reviews about the movie. I was going to allow my 13 year old to see it, but have now changed my mind. We should always use the Word of God to discern whether something is acceptable. “They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world’s perspective and the world listens to them. We are from God; the person who knows God listens to us, but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit” NETBible 1 John 4: 4-6. Don't let the world cloud your judgment. Be careful in supporting ideas that the world deems appropriate, remember we are from God. Negative - It is disappointing that film makers are shoving political and anti-Christian agendas down our throats. My sister told me that everyone was telling her this was a hilarious movie and that we should go see it. I agree that it was humorous and probably could have been enjoyable entertainment without all of the offensive scenes and comments. For instance exotic dancer scene, continual cursing/using the Lord's name, idolatry (showing rituals of worship to other than God—“Mother Nature”), etc. I usually look up the reviews on movies before I go to see them, but my sister is 71 and her friends were giving it an OK. Apparently, the general movie-going population is learning to overlook offensive material just so that they can have a few laughs. Christians should be able to enjoy the movies that they are paying to see. Rather than movie ratings, I wish Christians had their own theatres that show only “Safe and non offensive films.” Maybe the theatres could be called “King's Theatre” or something to that effect. Negative - I could not in good conscience recommend this movie to a fellow Christian. I chose to see this movie because the premise seemed cute, and the previews were amusing. If you're considering this movie based on the previews, I would advise you not to waste your money, as everything “cute” was shown in the previews. The movie itself did not have much to offer. Negative - I'm a Sandra B. fan, and this was by far the worst movie I've ever seen her in. The writing was BAD, the acting was BAD, everything was so contrived and so not funny. The most offensive part was the male exotic dancer—it just went on and on. Is anyone else as sick of strippers and exotic dancers in movies (and TV) for comic relief as I am?! And then there was Sandra's nude scene - come on! So unnecessary and so icky when they ran into each other. There was no comedy in any of it and no reason for it other than for the guys to get a look at Sandra's great body. I was embarrassed at just being there. My husband and I both believe strongly that if it is not appropriate for children to watch, then it is not appropriate for us as Christians to watch. I suppose depending on your closeness with the Lord, and your seriousness about following His commandments, will determine your opinion whether the film as offensive or not. The Bible, which is the foundation of Christian's beliefs, says, "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." Philippians 4:8 (New International Version) Does this film fit this description? Would Paul watch this film? I think not. The problem with society today is that everyone is slowly and gradually accepting more and more immorality. There was a time in which kissing was forbidden on television. I wish those standards were still in existance. —Jouwhoo, age 29 (USA) Comments from young people
Positive - I REALLY enjoyed this film! I laughed so much. The storyline is fun, the acting is great. Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock are hilarious! And the scene with the puppy and the eagle… So funny! Morally… A few things, and wish the profanity was less. But… overall, for a PG-13 movie, this one is worth seeing. Definitely a chick-flick, BUT A FUN ONE of that. I think the reviewer was too harsh on it. I will be buying it when it it released on DVD. Positive - …While the movie is not the most appropriate movie, it is quite good considering all the others there. If you cant deal with a little sexual comments and jokes, DON'T go to see a PG-13 movie. The movie is funny, sweet, and the plot line is creative. I felt the movie to be appropriate and almost modest for today's movies. It could have been better, but, overall, a great movie. I wouldn't discourage people to see it, unless extremely sensitive to mildly questionable material. I loved the movie… Positive - I really don't think this movie is as disturbing as the reviewer made it out to be, I thought it was pretty hilarious. It wasn't a cheap humor film like The Hangover or The Ugly Truth and I would feel comfortable watching it with my parents. It was a cute movie! Positive - I did enjoy this movie... it made me laugh and it was sweet. Now, would i own this movie? No. It had too much language, for one, and a few scenes that I didn't think needed to be in there. Some of those scenes were funny, but not needed. Overall, the movie was like I said, cute and very funny. For sure not for kids under 13, and maybe a little over that, too. A movie to use discretion on. For adults, I think it's a cute date movie. Comments from non-viewers
I won't be seeing it because of its misleading packaging. Its too bad that many Christians deem the Disney name unquestionably “trustworthy,” According to Yahoo!, it is considered a Disney movie for the entire family. I'm hoping that God's people will use a little more discernment before they pack the whole family up to see what is clearly a female romance, and should be labeled as such. Since when is PG-13 considered appropriate for the whole family? Never mind don't answer that. Sure, teach purity to our children, but then let them see shows like this before they are old enough to morally process it, and then wonder why our “purity” discussions might not work… hmmmmm. (PLEASE READ) My fellow Christians come on… someone said that the camera shows a guy's pubic hair. When are we going to stop settling for less and stop saying to ourselves that it's just a movie, and that “it's not that bad?” We are told to be not of the world… The people making these movies are of the world, and are therefore putting worldly things in them. Why do Christians put themselves in front of garbage? We need to stop trying to fulfill ourselves with entertainment. It's obvious that entertainment is full of lies, perversions, immoralities, etc. Where does it read in the good book of the Lord that it is okay to be a part of these things? Please people, be honest with yourselves, spare yourselves from filling your minds with the nonsense, and seek God's truth and ask him to guide you to his love and joy. I have a daughter who is about to turn 13 and I would never let her see this movie based on what I have read. I wouldn't let a 16 year old see a movie like this. Incidentally, a woman I know saw this with her 18 year old daughter and told me it was rated R (she thought it was, based on the content.) I agree with another comment, come on people, it is time for Christians to say “enough!” to these kinds of movies. I believe movie-viewing is one thing that Christians let slide in their Christian walk. Just because it's a popular movie with the crowds, or because it may have some very funny parts, doesn't mean it is okay to watch. Thank you to those who have left comments on this movie. Because of the negative comments I have read I will not go and see this extremely offensive movie. I am still baffled when I hear Christians speak of movies like this in such a positive light. Why? Because Scripture is VERY clear about how we're supposed to behave - setting no vile thing before our eyes (Psalm 101:3), being innocent about things that are evil (Romans 16:19). How can one who calls them a follower of Christ see movies like this and keep to Philippians 4:8 which says: Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things. How can Christians call nudity seen funny? It is wrong, immoral and I'm sure you would be thoroughly embarrassed to watch this movie or others like it if you had Jesus sitting right next to you. I hope you would be anyway. The whole reason to avoid those situations (movies, magazines, books, strip clubs, drawings whatever) is to HELP us to keep our minds and hearts pure. It may not have been a sexual nudity scene. But you know what?! Every male, even females these days, will see the partial nudity or accidental nudity scene and replay it in his mind for days to come… even years to come. A woman will see the scene(s) and compare herself to her body. I ask you, what good can come of that? To simply have a laugh or two? What will the end result be in your mind, to play it off as no big deal? That's exactly what the Devil wants, is our minds, the more he gets to dull our senses the more he has won you over. Thank you to the individual that gave that awesome critique of “The Proposal.” The majority of those that call themselves Christians believe that “THE JUDGMENT” before Jesus Christ will just be a formality-but it won't. We will be standing as individuals before the spotless Lamb of God. It's utterly ridiculous when believers of a different faith have more of an understanding of what's moral, or right and wrong in comparison to those who actually have been washed in the blood of the lamb. HE WAS RIPPED TO SHREDS NOT SO THAT WE COULD BE LUKEWARM-trust me I'm convicted at my own speech. If “little taboos” are acceptable what exactly did he save us from? Lastly the example that we all learned in grade school about hot to cook a frog. You don't throw it in hot scolding water, it will jump out the pot. You put it in lukewarm water and slowly turn up the heat. Where is our resistance? Where is our watchfulness? where is our dying daily? |